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Sam Freedman, to his credit, has responded to my critique on his substack. See his response below, and my response to his response.

First Sam: Honestly it feels like most of it is beside the point. My argument is simple - the mainstream right are now using, and accepting of, racist language that would have been condemned out of hand 20 years ago.

Saying we should deport all Pakistanis is bad (as you accept); saying a brown person can't be English is bad (which you seem to want to inexplicably defend); approvingly quoting Enoch Powell, as Alison Pearson did yesterday, is bad. These things should be widely condemend by mainstream right publications and politicians and they are not. That is exceptionally dangerous and will, I fear, lead to violence. Maybe you're right that anti-racism taboos are strong enough to withstand this - I really don't want to test that theory.

This is true regardless of what one thinks on immigration, integration or any other policy issue. And it cannot be blamed on what you consider to be failures of policy here. Any more than one could blame anti-semitism in New York on the fact there are a lot of Jews living there.

And now me: Sam, this is not good enough. Yes there is a harder tone to some of the debate, but that is a response to the harder realities for those who worry about immigration/over-rapid demographic change. You are, in effect, saying people are not allowed to be upset/angry about this because you are not. I agree with you about Carswell, and I cannot comment about the Pearson quote as I've not seen it. Obviously there can be unacceptable ways of expressing anger about these big changes, but your over the top response draws lines between the acceptable and the unacceptable in the wrong place and so merely further polarises debate. I challenged you on two substantive points, neither of which you have answered. Your belief that the anti-racism taboo is thin runs counter to all the polling evidence and all the optimistic things that you and others have written about multi-ethnic Britain. And you say that Kisin is obviously racist for saying a brown person can't be English which is what most brown people themselves argued until recently, and most probably still do. For most of my life ethnic minority Brits have identified as British not Engiish. To say Kisin is racist for taking this position is dumb and presumably stems from the belief that he is a conservative of some kind and so when he says Sunak can't be English - he means it in a racist way not in a civic v ethnic way. Have you asked him? I suspect as someone of Russian Jewish ancestry he knows a thing or two about racism. I know both of you a bit (where has the sweet young Prospect intern gone?!) and the fact that you now occupy unbridgeable zones in Britain's political conversation is ridiculous, and you carry some of the blame.

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The West is overrun with moral entrepreneurs (almost always Leftist intellectuals) who demand we exchange our IS (the reality of humans, states, and societies based on history, biology, anthropology) for their OUGHT, which is usually some idealistic form of egalitarian humanitarianism that has never quite existed except in their imaginations. I think this is mostly based on Christian morality, which seems to have only grown stronger as Christianity itself fades, and also on our deep Protestant roots, where every man gets to be his own priest, preacher, and prophet.

I don't think we'd want to live without an OUGHT, some good-natured idealism is necessary to keep us from being heartless utilitarian materialists, but too much OUGHT, especially the kind that simply dismisses IS as backwards relics of our benighted past, is reckless and often destructive.

Because our class of moral entrepreneurs can't quite see past their own self-regard and warm fuzzy feelings, they never take into account the things any professed reform needs to (if it's serious and responsible): possible negative side effects, unforeseen consequences and the tradeoffs that any policy will require (there's always tradeoffs). Instead all these things are usually written off with the great ideological weapon of our age, the Bigotry Accusation, which destroys debate and makes it impossible for reasonable people to disagree.

Western liberals seem to be the people with the highest in-group hostility (maybe ever) and the most passionate commitment to xenophilia and concern for the Other, but as we've seen, their moral crusade has also led to deep social fissures, lack of social trust, rotting of community bonds, an epidemic of anomie and distaste for nation and nomos, not to mention crime and tremendous political upheaval. Our intellectual/activist class are the people who will saw off the branch they're sitting on (in this case the branch being safe, prosperous liberal democracies), because the branch can't hold everyone who wants to sit on it, and because they believe there must be a higher, better branch. They are simply too religious when it comes to the issue of mass immigration, too emotionally and personally invested, to be trusted or heeded.

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